Removing the Confederate flag

Jo6pak

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Separation of church and state, my friends. Like it or not, it's one of the tenants of our society.

If it were the 7 pillars of Islam, would it still be OK??
 

kwo51

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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. You live a lie Joe!!!!!
 

Jo6pak

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Wow, 5 exclamation points... I'm flattered. But I don't see what you're so upset about. Exactly what lie am I living??

Is it your supposition that America is a "Christian" country?
Then why is it that nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Religion mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.

Or is it the myth that the founding fathers were Christian?
This one is kind of true. They were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that "the creator" does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. It's true that they spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible.

In fact there are many references to the founding fathers apparent distain for religion..

John Adams wrote in a letter to Thomas Jeffereson, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

Thomas Jefferson made no secret of his doubts about Christianity's doctrines.
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."

I would like to make the point that I am not challenging a man's beliefs or his chosen religion. As you wrote, "religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God"
I am only pointing out that this country was not founded "by Christians, for Christians." as many would have us believe. In fact, I would suggest that a truly devout Christian could be considered diametrically opposed to a capitalist, democratic republic. Since at it's base, capitalism depends highly on several of the 7 deadly sins (greed, pride, envy) to support and advance itself.
 
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SilvrSRT10

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And now TV Land is removing the "Dukes of Hazzard" reruns from their lineup. This is really getting out of hand. Everyone is so overly PC. The Trump can't even voice an opinion without a number of businesses severing ties with him. And I believe many people agree with what he said concerning illegal immigrants.

So as a sign of protest on TV Lands decision. I just bought 4 seasons of Dukes on DVD.
 

Jo6pak

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The "politically correct" movement in this country is the new witch hunt. It's interesting how people can see the obsurdity of the red scare of the 50s, or the Salem witch hunts; and not see that the PC movement is using the same tactics and "blacklisting" people and opinions in the same way.
It's getting to be like a fart in a crowded room, everyone blaming the next guy for stinking up the place, and nobody admitting that they have ever farted in their life.

Freedom of speech is words that they will bend. Anything you say can and will be used against you.
 

Sgt. Rock

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Whats next??...all references and photos to be removed in history books concerning the Confederacy during the Civil War??..but imagine if the South had won the war..they would be flying the rebel flag instead of the stars and stripes over the Capitol...something to think about as the backlash continues to grow.
 

SilvrSRT10

Super Moderator
Saw on TV this morning that a guy who bought one of the General Lees from the "Dukes of Hazzard" show (over $100K) is going to have the Confederate flag painted over with the American flag. IDIOT!!!
 

priell3

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Sgt. Rock

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We have one at our county seat and it's not going anywhere!!!!!!!

Florida has raised the Confederate flag once again after taking it down right after the shooting and SC legislators have been receiving death threats..I see a real divided issue which won't be solved overnight.
 

SilvrSRT10

Super Moderator
I'm pretty sure that if SC had taken a poll of it's constituents that the flag would not be coming down. Instead they let their feelings rule over the people.
 

kwo51

Full Access Member
The war for state rights is just getting started.Flag will fly in many places that have southern pride. My relatives that died fighting for the south are heros and will not be forgotten. Get over that the USA is dying because of affirmative action and the states that control the most industry will be in better standing.
 

ViperJeff

Administrator
Well the White House has been pushing to divide the country for years along financial and racial lines. Seems things are working out quite well for them
 

SilvrSRT10

Super Moderator
That war was fought 150 years ago. The Confederacy lost...get over it already.

That's not the point. It's the principle. There is a Southern pride and many families can trace their ancestors back to the war. The battle flag is being taken down for the wrong reasons. It's unfortunate that the flag was used by some organizations that represent some dark times in our history and that seems to be what has stuck with it. But that wasn't what it's original meaning was. That's why some people are so up in arms about it. To them the flag represents heritage. The heritage of the South fighting against a tyrannical government. It wasn't as much about slavery as many believe. Black, white and American Indian fought, slept and ate side by side unlike the Union army where the ranks were segregated.
 

kwo51

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The afros are taking racism to a new level!!!!!!! Only way they can win is unite with gays and illegals. The us losses as a whole. Obama wants it so communism can be assured in his presidency . Get you head out of the sand and look at what the scotus has done. USSR at it's finest.
 

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